say Elias and ~ 41_MAR_08_28 ~ say Elias and ~ 42_LUK_09_19 ~
 say Elias and others ~ 41_MAR_08_28 ~ say Elias and others ~ 42_LUK_09_19 ~
 some say Elias and ~ 41_MAR_08_28 ~ some say Elias and ~ 42_LUK_09_19 ~